What Stacey Richter and Evan Anderson got right about carrier networks, and what employers can do now to cut costs
By Jake Velie, Founder, Chairman & CEO, National Integrative Health
I have spent 13 years on the health plan side of this business. I have watched employers pay more each year for the same care while our industry explains it away. So when Stacey Richter sat down with Evan Anderson on Relentless Health Value1, I found myself nodding along.2
Stacey called the status quo carrier network a “three-headed monster.” I see three dragons: the discount illusion, unchecked claims, and price variation by site of care. Each guards a different part of employer spending.
Here is what I have seen on the ground, and how employers can challenge each one.
The bottom line for executives
- A discount is not proof of savings. One study found cash prices below insurers’ median negotiated rates in 47% of its comparisons.6
- Many plans do not routinely compare high-cost bills with their contract terms. Errors can go undetected unless someone checks.
- Where care happens can matter as much as what care happens. The same drug can cost many times more depending on the building.
- High-cost claims may affect stop-loss costs when they reach the policy’s specific attachment point, subject to the contract and underwriting.
None of this requires blowing up your plan. It requires better questions and better data.
Start with the right question
Stacey opened with a question nobody asks anymore: what is a network? She pointed to Katy Talento’s essay on a post-network world3, which describes a network, at its simplest, as a set of contracts between carriers and providers. Evan said plans need a way to confirm those contracts are honored.
Evan described a gap between how networks are presented and how their contracts work. Mark Cuban has also called for standardized contracts.4 Stacey warned that layered contracts can bury terms and incentives that work against the plan sponsor.
Stacey’s point that marketing claims are not a substitute for data belongs in every benefits committee discussion. I learned it early. On the pharmacy side, a self-funded plan can usually see what it paid for a medicine. On the medical side, as I told Stacey on her show5, the whole story can get “embodied in a J-code and a Q-code.” You see a code and a dollar amount. You may not see what the drug cost, who bought it, or why it was given at that site. If you cannot see it, you cannot manage it.
Dragon one: the discount illusion
Evan argued that network discounts can mislead employers when they are calculated against hospital list prices with little connection to a defensible market price.
The research backs him up. A 2023 Health Affairs study by Johns Hopkins researchers6 examined 70 common services across 2,379 hospitals. Cash prices were below median insurer-negotiated prices in 47% of the study’s comparisons. Stacey explained why this can persist: when an intermediary is paid as a percentage of spend, higher costs can mean more revenue.
I agree with both of them, and I would make it even simpler for executives. When a vendor tells you they saved you 60%, ask one question: 60% off of what? If nobody can answer that in plain English, you do not have a savings number. You have a marketing number. The only number that matters is what you actually paid compared with what you should have paid.
Dragon two: the unchecked claim
The second head is payment integrity. Evan described claims systems built on legacy platforms, with contract logic layered over time. His point was that the plan often lacks a practical way to independently check the result.
Stacey pointed to her conversation with Kimberly Carleson7, where Carleson cited estimates that as many as 80% of hospital bills may contain an error. Treat that as an estimate discussed in the episode, not a universal audited rate. Evan pointed to Stacey’s episode with Andrew Tsang8 on revenue cycle management, described there as a $200 billion industry. When billing and payment disputes are not resolved, patients, independent practices, and employers can end up carrying the burden.
This is an area executives can address, but the law is specific. The Consolidated Appropriations Act of 20219 bars gag clauses that prevent plans and issuers from accessing provider-specific cost or quality information and de-identified claims data, subject to applicable privacy protections. That does not guarantee every plan automatically receives a complete, usable claims file. Plan sponsors still need to confirm their contract terms, data feeds, and safeguards. Ask what data is available, how it is delivered, and who reviews high-cost claims before payment.
Dragon three: the wrong chair
This is the dragon I deal with every day.
Stacey referenced Jim Jusko’s argument10 that the same physician delivering the same service may be paid different rates under different network contracts. She described that as a dysfunctional market. Evan pointed to substantial price gaps between hospital-based and outpatient care. They discussed an example from Stacey’s episode with Ivana Krajcinovic11: the independent practice charged $135 for a chemotherapy infusion, while a hospital down the street charged $13,560 for the same infusion, according to the episode. The episode underscored that the same treatment may carry very different prices under different provider contracts. Stacey noted that both providers were described as in-network.
That episode also described a member’s hospital bill of $90,000 for a series of infusions, compared with an alternative-site estimate of $185 all-in. In another example, two members could have saved a combined $1 million by receiving the same infusions at a different site. These are examples reported in the episode; the amounts should be understood in the context and scope described there.
In September 2026, the Employee Benefit Research Institute12 reported an analysis of 106 physician-administered outpatient drugs using commercial claims from 2023–2024. Hospital outpatient departments were paid more than physician offices for 93 of the 106 drugs; per-unit prices were 102% higher on average and 64% higher at the median. The study covers physician-administered drugs, not only infusions. A separate 2026 study of more than 52,000 matched infusions reported hospital outpatient costs about 42% higher than alternative sites, with similar outcomes.13 Those study averages do not mean every patient can move; site-of-care decisions require clinical review. MedPAC has also warned that paying hospitals more for the same service can steer care toward the highest-paid setting.14
Stacey and Evan are right about site of care, and I would add one thing. Site of care is not only about moving the patient. In one case I worked on, we estimated that a plan was paying roughly $80,000 more per dose of Ultomiris than necessary. We did not move the patient. We changed how the drug was purchased and how the contract was structured. Same medicine, same chair, same building, different contract. Sometimes the answer is a different setting. Sometimes it is a better price where the patient already receives care. Either way, a cost is not fixed just because it showed up on a claim.
The cost that can follow you to renewal
This is the piece I would add to Stacey and Evan’s list, and it is the one I care most about. When Keith Hartman and I joined Stacey for episode 5305, our message was simple: overpaying for infusions can affect stop-loss costs.
An eligible claim that crosses a plan’s specific attachment point can affect reimbursable losses and may factor into renewal pricing, depending on policy terms, experience, and underwriting. Sun Life’s 2026 analysis15 reported a 46% increase in million-dollar-plus claims over the four-year period it studied, with specialty drugs among the key drivers.
I am also seeing stop-loss carriers take a more active role in cost containment. When risk carriers start managing claims themselves, it shows how much attention this issue is getting.
Ahead of the October 1, 2026 renewal, a broker overseeing more than 70 self-funded groups asked whether an infusion carve-out could be in place after reviewing Keytruda and other high-cost drug claims. That is a broker doing the math.
Why the dragons persist
Stacey asked whether employers could simply get rid of networks. She and Evan emphasized the disruption that could cause and the continued need for access and repricing. Stacey also cited Dr. Eric Bricker’s point that operating without a network is difficult because networks do the repricing. Without that reference point, plans may not know what a service should cost.
Evan’s point: cutting one head does not solve the underlying opacity and misaligned incentives. Those problems can persist across network arrangements.
I agree that walking away from a network is not the answer for most employers. Members need access, and disruption is real. But being stuck with networks does not mean being stuck with network prices. Employers can challenge all three dragons with better data and oversight.
Four ways to fight back
Stacey asked what a workable solution looks like. Evan outlined four paths. Here is how I would approach each one.
Switch networks, but only with your own data. Evan is right that you need real prices and your own claims file before you move. Hospitals have been required to publish standard charges since 2021. Separately, the Transparency in Coverage rules require most group health plans and insurers to publish machine-readable files with in-network negotiated rates, with the first files due July 1, 2022.16 These files are technical and can be difficult to use. KFF’s cited analysis documents challenges with hospital price files, not insurer rate files.17 Stacey noted that networks often contract with many of the same providers. My take: run the analysis, but do not expect a network change alone to fix your trend.
Direct contract where it counts. Evan pointed to direct or advanced primary care tied to value-based incentives, and Centers of Excellence for areas like orthopedics, cancer, and GI care. My take: direct contracting is an option, subject to plan terms, network adequacy, and administrative requirements. Start with services where your spend is highest and your data is clearest.
Steer and tier, including site of care. Evan said tiering should include where care happens, not just who provides it. Stacey cautioned that moving patients is not as simple as shifting interchangeable pieces, and she is right. We have learned how nuanced care plans and drug combinations can be, and why moving some patients is not appropriate. It takes clinical expertise to know who can safely move, when, and where. It also takes plan design. Give members a financial reason to choose the better path, so it feels like a benefit, not a penalty. The first message should be clear: this is the same drug and treatment plan, and a clinician has confirmed the proposed site is appropriate.
Bundle episodes of care. Evan described bundling as covering as many as 150 types of care episodes through a single-price structure. Stacey noted that bundles need both buyers and providers, and can address all three network problems by making price, quality, and what was charged more visible. My take: employers should ask for bundles where the price, quality measures, and episode scope are clear.
The broker’s role is changing
The idea from this episode I keep coming back to came from Stacey. She said a broker’s role is shifting from shopping for networks and stop-loss to coordinating the pieces. Evan agreed that data has to be actionable.2
I could not agree more. “This network has a bigger discount” is no longer a strategy. Our industry has a bad habit of turning operating problems into marketing categories. Executives do not need another label. They need an advisor who can explain, in writing, why their biggest claims went where they went and what alternatives were considered.
Questions to bring to your next renewal
- What are we actually paying, not just what discount are we getting?
- Who checks whether our largest claims matched our contracts?
- Where are our high-cost infusions happening, and could the same drug be delivered for less?
- How are those claims affecting our stop-loss renewal?
- Does our plan design reward members for choosing the better option?
The three dragons are real. Employers can challenge all three with better data, clearer contracts, and active oversight.
My thanks to Stacey for asking the questions we should all be asking, and to Evan for a clear map of the problem. Listen to the episode, then review your claims.
Footnotes
1. Stacey Richter, host, “EP531: Slaying the Three-Headed Monster of Health Plan Networks, With Evan Anderson,” Relentless Health Value, September 2026, https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/episode/ep531-slaying-the-three-headed-monster-of-health-plan-networks-with-evan-anderson.
2. “Transcript for EP531 With Evan Anderson,” Relentless Health Value, September 2026, https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/blog/transcript-for-ep531-with-evan-anderson.
3. Katy Talento, “I Have a Dream… of a Post-Network World,” AllBetter, April 3, 2026, https://www.katytalento.com/p/i-have-a-dream-of-a-post-network.
4. Mark Cuban, LinkedIn post on health care reform priorities, including standardized carrier contracts by provider type, January 2026, https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mark-cuban-06a0755b_for-those-legislators-who-are-working-on-activity-7420638969467576320-A82E.
5. Stacey Richter, host, “EP530: A Wildly Underappreciated Point: Overpaying for Infusions Means Overpaying for Stop-Loss Coverage, With Jake Velie and Keith Hartman, RPh,” Relentless Health Value, September 2026, https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/episode/ep530-a-wildly-underappreciated-point-overpaying-for-infusions-means-overpaying-for-stop-loss-coverage-with-jake-velie-and-keith-hartman-rph.
6. Yang Wang, Mark Katz Meiselbach, John S. Cox, Gerard F. Anderson, and Ge Bai, “The Relationships Among Cash Prices, Negotiated Rates, And Chargemaster Prices For Shoppable Hospital Services,” Health Affairs 42, no. 4 (April 2023): 516–525, doi:10.1377/hlthaff.2022.00977, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37011313/.
7. Stacey Richter, host, “EP480: Payment Integrity Meets Health System Boasts, Such as Our Rates Are 2x Medicare, With Kimberly Carleson,” Relentless Health Value, June 26, 2025, https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/episode/ep480-payment-integrity-meets-health-system-boasts-such-as-our-rates-are-2x-medicare-with-kimberly-carleson.
8. Stacey Richter, host, “EP521: How Revenue Cycle Management (RCM) Became an Over $200 Billion Healthcare Hot Potato, With Andrew Tsang,” Relentless Health Value, July 22, 2026, https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/episode/ep521-how-revenue-cycle-management-rcm-became-an-over-200-billion-healthcare-hot-potato-with-andrew-tsang.
9. U.S. Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and the Treasury, “FAQs About Affordable Care Act and Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021 Implementation Part 57,” February 23, 2023, https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ebsa/about-ebsa/our-activities/resource-center/faqs/aca-part-57.
10. Stacey Richter, host, “EP531: Slaying the Three-Headed Monster of Health Plan Networks, With Evan Anderson,” Relentless Health Value, September 2026 (transcript discussion of Jim Jusko’s argument), https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/blog/transcript-for-ep531-with-evan-anderson.
11. Stacey Richter, host, “EP501: Speaking of Infusions, Do You Want to Pay $135 or Do You Want to Pay $13,560 for the Exact Same Drug? With Ivana Krajcinovic, PhD,” Relentless Health Value, February 26, 2026, https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/episode/ep501-speaking-of-infusions-do-you-want-to-pay-135-or-do-you-want-to-pay-13560-for-the-exact-same-drug-with-ivana-krajcinovic-phd.
12. Paul Fronstin and M. Christopher Roebuck, “Location, Location, Location: Spending Differences for Physician-Administered Outpatient Medications by Site-of-Treatment,” EBRI Issue Brief no. 666, Employee Benefit Research Institute, September 24, 2026, https://www.ebri.org/docs/default-source/pbriefs/ebri_ib_666_siteneutrtreatment-24sept26.pdf.
13. Daniel Cullen et al., “Infusion Therapy Patient Outcomes Are Similar at Reduced Costs in Alternative Sites of Care Compared with Hospital Outpatient Departments,” Journal of Managed Care & Specialty Pharmacy 32, no. 3 (March 2026): 312–322, https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12948754/.
14. Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, “Aligning Fee-for-Service Payment Rates Across Ambulatory Settings,” Report to the Congress, Chapter 8, June 2023, https://www.medpac.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Jun23_Ch8_MedPAC_Report_To_Congress_SEC.pdf.
15. Sun Life U.S., “What Drives Multimillion-Dollar Medical Claims? Sun Life Report Shows Secondary Health Conditions, Hospital Stays and Specialty Drugs Among Key Factors,” news release, May 21, 2026, https://www.sunlife.com/en/newsroom/news-releases/announcement/what-drives-multimillion-dollar-medical-claims-sun-life-report-shows-secondary-health-conditions-hospital-stays-and-specialty-drugs-among-key-factors/124097/.
16. Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, “Use of Pricing Information Published under the Transparency in Coverage Final Rule,” https://www.cms.gov/priorities/healthplan-price-transparency/overview/use-pricing-information-published-under-transparency-coverage-final-rule.
17. Justin Lo, Gary Claxton, Emma Wager, Cynthia Cox, and Krutika Amin, “Ongoing Challenges with Hospital Price Transparency,” Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker, February 10, 2023, https://www.kff.org/health-costs/ongoing-challenges-with-hospital-price-transparency/.